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Trouble
12-22-2010, 09:43 AM
On July 6th in the year 2007 A.D., I began a project which began with the digging of a hole in the ground. After having the utility companies come out and mark their lines, I contacted a backhoe operator and he came out for 100 dollars and dug what would eventually and affectionately be dubbed by the family as "The Hole". The Hole is 4 feet deep into the ground which is comprised of about 3.5 feet of top soil followed by an undetermined depth of hard clay. This fact will play a role in how progress was made in The Hole as you'll see.

Also shown is our backyard dog "Taz". He's been up my butt every inch of the way too. No matter what I was doing, he had to be right there watching the activity, sometimes from an uncomfortably close position. I've hollered "Git de hell outta heah!" more than a few times throughout this process. :axl7

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM0940.jpg

I've started this thread in order to publicly document this effort and why I did it. As this project nears completion, slated for this coming Spring 2011, I'll be adding photos, websites and general info regarding building a shelter that will protect from not only tornadoes, but biological attacks and radioactive fallout as well.

I'll add a picture or two daily through the holidays each complete with explanations of what you are seeing so this thread will most likely be bumped for some time. This will keep Bard from having to sticky this thread as he likes to do with such riveting reports from the field. :reporter

Many of you have seen most if not all of these pictures, some of you haven't. I will say this about the effort, it's been quite a ride and now, for the first time, on a public board (Bards) "The Hole" will be completely documented from beginning to the eventual END.

Questions and comments are welcome however, as is my typical fashion, naysayers can go straight to hell. :axl7

Trouble
12-22-2010, 09:43 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

lakelady
12-22-2010, 10:47 AM
I'm glad you are going to document this, Trouble.

Looking forward to it........

lakelady
12-22-2010, 10:47 AM
I'm glad you are going to document this, Trouble.

Looking forward to it........

Trouble
12-22-2010, 10:48 AM
I'm glad you are going to document this, Trouble.

Looking forward to it........

It's going to be fun for me too. I get to re-live it all over again....lol :axl7

Trouble
12-22-2010, 10:48 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-22-2010, 11:02 AM
Here you see the rest of the dirt piled up around what was at that time a roll-off roof observatory for my telescopes. Every bit of that dirt (and more!) you see was shoveled up around the shelter, mostly by me, but with some help from Teen T. After the backhoe dug out The Hole, all other work regarding the moving of dirt, rock and the making of concrete was done with a wheelbarrow, shovels and hard labor.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM0942.jpg

Trouble
12-22-2010, 11:02 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-22-2010, 11:13 AM
The first thing I wanted to do was to build a cinderblock wall such that when a roof was attached, the inside would be about 6 feet tall. As it worked out, the inside is about 5' 6" after all so I have to stoop while in The Hole as I'm 6 foot tall even. The reasons that came about will be described later.

What you see here is the setting of the cornerstone. I first had to square off where I would set the wall around the hole so that is the pink string you see stretched out. I used simple geometry to do this (Pythagorean theorem), that is a^2 + b^2 = c^2.

Little did I know, as I ceremoniously lay that block what would be in store for me. :axl7

But I since have found out.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/Hole1.jpg

Trouble
12-22-2010, 11:13 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

thebigk
12-22-2010, 11:20 AM
That photo was taken on July 11,2007 and you're still not done with it? WTF??

thebigk
12-22-2010, 11:20 AM
That photo was taken on July 11,2007 and you're still not done with it? WTF??

Trouble
12-22-2010, 11:28 AM
That photo was taken on July 11,2007 and you're still not done with it? WTF??

:axl7

Yes, it's been a long time. I lost close to a year due to having back surgery and even after I've healed from that, I find that I don't have the get up and go as I used to.

So, more various reasons, health, money and LIFE, the project continues to this day.

Trouble
12-22-2010, 11:28 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-22-2010, 12:18 PM
LOL! A VERY rudimentary set of plans I came up with as far as design. Some of it was what I did and some wasn't close...lol This was the vision in my mind at the time.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/Shelterplans.jpg

Trouble
12-22-2010, 12:18 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

thebigk
12-22-2010, 01:18 PM
By the time thats done,we'll have been nuked already.

thebigk
12-22-2010, 01:18 PM
By the time thats done,we'll have been nuked already.

Trouble
12-22-2010, 01:37 PM
By the time thats done,we'll have been nuked already.

I hope not, but we'll sure see I bet.

Trouble
12-22-2010, 01:37 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
12-22-2010, 02:52 PM
I am honered to be hosting this exclusive boardyland Saga here
at the Bards Coliseum, where
we can give adequet spotlights serving of the topic!

:spotcolor
I was guestimating the cost at around 5 grand.
materials etc. I never knew you went that deep initially
it is very similar to a 'Berm home' I researched once
especially with you putting the extra dirt up against the stronghold
I can hear the skads of kids asking daily
what cha doing MR?
Whatcha building Mr a spa? Pool? :happy

Bard
12-22-2010, 02:52 PM
I am honered to be hosting this exclusive boardyland Saga here
at the Bards Coliseum, where
we can give adequet spotlights serving of the topic!

:spotcolor
I was guestimating the cost at around 5 grand.
materials etc. I never knew you went that deep initially
it is very similar to a 'Berm home' I researched once
especially with you putting the extra dirt up against the stronghold
I can hear the skads of kids asking daily
what cha doing MR?
Whatcha building Mr a spa? Pool? :happy

Trouble
12-22-2010, 03:31 PM
I was guestimating the cost at around 5 grand.


By the time I'm done completely, that will just about be the cost. Trying to keep it around 4 grand. :D

Trouble
12-22-2010, 03:31 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-22-2010, 03:31 PM
I am honered to be hosting this exclusive boardyland Saga here
at the Bards Coliseum, where
we can give adequet spotlights serving of the topic!

:spotcolor

Thanks Sir Bard! :axl7

Trouble
12-22-2010, 03:31 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

jtxk
12-22-2010, 03:32 PM
That will be the same kids that are putting no telling what down the air intake.

jtxk
12-22-2010, 03:32 PM
That will be the same kids that are putting no telling what down the air intake.

Trouble
12-22-2010, 03:38 PM
That will be the same kids that are putting no telling what down the air intake.

:axl7

Whatever they put in, it better be smaller than .3 micron or it ain't getting in.

Trouble
12-22-2010, 03:38 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
12-22-2010, 03:48 PM
That will be the same kids that are putting no telling what down the air intake.

:biglaugh

Bard
12-22-2010, 03:48 PM
That will be the same kids that are putting no telling what down the air intake.

:biglaugh

axl803
12-22-2010, 05:22 PM
gud dam trouble :axl7

yo ambitious :axl7

axl803
12-22-2010, 05:22 PM
gud dam trouble :axl7

yo ambitious :axl7

Bard
12-22-2010, 05:24 PM
gud dam trouble :axl7

yo ambitious :axl7

hey axl :happy

Trouble is 'resolute' :reporter

Bard
12-22-2010, 05:24 PM
gud dam trouble :axl7

yo ambitious :axl7

hey axl :happy

Trouble is 'resolute' :reporter

axl803
12-22-2010, 05:25 PM
hey axl :happy

Trouble is 'resolute' :reporter



yo Bard :axl7

thet a good word fer him :axl7

axl803
12-22-2010, 05:25 PM
hey axl :happy

Trouble is 'resolute' :reporter



yo Bard :axl7

thet a good word fer him :axl7

Bard
12-22-2010, 05:27 PM
yo Bard :axl7

thet a good word fer him :axl7

He can be as driven & perky as a Beaver called 'Sparky' in spring! :happy

Bard
12-22-2010, 05:27 PM
yo Bard :axl7

thet a good word fer him :axl7

He can be as driven & perky as a Beaver called 'Sparky' in spring! :happy

Bard
12-22-2010, 08:26 PM
Do your neighbors call you Noah?

Bard
12-22-2010, 08:26 PM
Do your neighbors call you Noah?

Bard
12-22-2010, 08:27 PM
Do your neighbors call you Noah?

If so, remember, Jonah got the last laugh.:winky

Bard
12-22-2010, 08:27 PM
Do your neighbors call you Noah?

If so, remember, Jonah got the last laugh.:winky

Bard
12-22-2010, 08:30 PM
If so, remember, Jonah got the last laugh.:winky

Plus its a great time-ou place for the kids when they act-up :happy

Im looking forward to the chronicle narrative and photo-essay

have been for a long time

The saga needed telling

And it therefore will get told!:clap

Bard
12-22-2010, 08:30 PM
If so, remember, Jonah got the last laugh.:winky

Plus its a great time-ou place for the kids when they act-up :happy

Im looking forward to the chronicle narrative and photo-essay

have been for a long time

The saga needed telling

And it therefore will get told!:clap

Bard
12-22-2010, 08:31 PM
Plus, its a title you cannot walk away from!
Know that! :happy

Bard
12-22-2010, 08:31 PM
Plus, its a title you cannot walk away from!
Know that! :happy

Trouble
12-22-2010, 08:39 PM
Plus, its a title you cannot walk away from!
Know that! :happy

:lolup

Trouble
12-22-2010, 08:39 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-22-2010, 08:50 PM
gud dam trouble :axl7

yo ambitious :axl7

I don't know the meaning of defeat or quit.

It's just how I am. :D

Trouble
12-22-2010, 08:50 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-22-2010, 08:51 PM
Plus its a great time-ou place for the kids when they act-up :happy


It works for me too when Ms. Trouble goes on the warpath....lol

Trouble
12-22-2010, 08:51 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 07:43 AM
I began the cinder block wall in the lowest corner of the hole. Basically, the land slopes out towards the SE corner of our lot as you might be able to tell (the fence is crooked because I had to take it down to let the backhoe in). Consequently, in order to try and keep the blocks level, I had to dig a trench to set the blocks in as I moved towards the high end of the hole. I should have set the cinder blocks on a concrete footing but I didn't. I did run rebar and poured concrete in the cinder block openings so it's solid as it can be, but lacking a really level footing, it was difficult to keep the blocks level. I've never really done any of that kind of work before so I just did the best I could. It was sufficient, but hardly what you'd call a "professional" job.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM0956.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/Hole4.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/BlockWall.jpg

As I worked the north wall around towards the entry, I checked it for level with the other wall. Unbelievable, it was level (enough for gubernment work).

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM0967.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM0966.jpg

I never had any real "plans" or anything like that as I built the hole. I just made up most of it as I went along. Jumping ahead, now that it is nearly done, there's just a couple of minor things I wish I had done differently, but for the most part, I'm happy with how it has all turned out especially considering all of the challenges that came along. I'll discuss those challenges as this thread progresses.

Trouble
12-23-2010, 07:43 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 08:17 AM
Here you see how the hole progressed with a roof. I used 4X4s as joists. As you see they set directly on top of the cinder block wall. I'll discuss why I chose to set them on top instead of embedding them into the cinder block later.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM0968.jpg

For a while, the boys helped me till they rebelled! I guess I'm a hard taskmaster. Whatever....lol Here's Teen T back then helping pour concrete into the cinder block. He absolutely hated the hole. Funny, I didn't read in The Bible where Noah's sons gave him any grief over building The Ark.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/WallShelter.jpg

Little T has always had a much better attitude about the hole and working on it. Most of the time he wants to help but the work is so heavy and frankly, dangerous so I usually occupy him with something to make him feel busy. Here you see him taking a break (with a happy dance) from nailing the plywood on the roof. 3/4 inch plywood was used and we nailed and screwed it down to the 4x4 joists.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM0978.jpg

Trouble
12-23-2010, 08:17 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 08:42 AM
I wanted to point out how I tied the joist to the cinder block and why I did it the way I did it. Having lived in California, and understanding how construction there is geared for earthquakes, and knowing that earthquakes are predicted all over in The Bible in the end days, I decided to let the roof "float" on the cinder blocks. You don't see them yet, but eventually I set support columns in concrete down below. What you see tying the joists to the cinder block is some metal fence I cut up. The wire is set in concrete and wraps over the joist where it is nailed in. Between the slack present there and the fact that the roof is actually suspended with columns, means that if we had an earthquake, the roof will move independently from the walls. My thinking was that if I set the joists into the cinder block wall, a good earthquake would tear it all apart. With this design, it should move without falling or tearing anything up to the point of a collapse anyway. Which is after all the whole point.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/Roof.jpg

Trouble
12-23-2010, 08:42 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 09:02 AM
Here you see the roof basically installed. If you'll note the opening in the cinder block wall just above the time stamp, you might think that I screwed that up but indeed, it was intentional. I didn't know what at the time, but I knew SOMETHING would need to go in or out of the hole somewhere so I left two openings and that is one of them. As it turned out, that is where I plumbed out the pipe that drains the hole's water. Don't worry, there will be a complete section in this thread later involving the hole's water and the problems it caused me. The other opening is directly across from the entry and has a brick leaning up on it for some odd reason. That opening has the shelters electrical running through it.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/Paper.jpg

Trouble
12-23-2010, 09:02 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 09:09 AM
Teen T actually liked this part of the job. The heaviest thing he had to use was the staple hammer....lol Here you see Teen T stapling the tar paper to the roof.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/Paper7.jpg

Trouble
12-23-2010, 09:09 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 09:17 AM
And then the rain came. The plastic kept the rain out of the hole but, as time progressed, you'll see that it wasn't the water coming from above that would be the problem but rather the water coming up from below!

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM0994.jpg

Trouble
12-23-2010, 09:17 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 09:33 AM
Now, I need to take a moment and explain to the critical eye of some, the reason you still see dirt and grass in the hole while the roof is going on. Most would say that I should have poured the concrete walls BEFORE attaching the roof. That's true enough! But, my thinking was, "Hey, I live in semi-arid west Texas. The hole will be dry."

I was going to actually cover the dirt walls inside with KILZ painted, treated plywood. I envisioned a painted wood wall all around the inside of the hole.

So, that's the reason I did this in the sequence I did it in. Had I been aware of the problems I would encounter regarding the water table, I sure would have poured concrete walls FIRST before putting the roof on. This will become apparent as we go along with this little story. :old

Trouble
12-23-2010, 09:33 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

jtxk
12-23-2010, 10:05 AM
Very interesting, T. Continue as you can.

jtxk
12-23-2010, 10:05 AM
Very interesting, T. Continue as you can.

Trouble
12-23-2010, 10:15 AM
Very interesting, T. Continue as you can.

I'll be adding a lot while I'm between semesters. :reporter

Trouble
12-23-2010, 10:15 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

StrayStar
12-23-2010, 10:16 AM
Did i see some beer cans in the bottom of that hole ? :thumbsup

StrayStar
12-23-2010, 10:16 AM
Did i see some beer cans in the bottom of that hole ? :thumbsup

Trouble
12-23-2010, 10:20 AM
Now, we're inside the hole and support columns are going in. The columns are 4x4s set in concrete. TONS of concrete and dirt will be held up by a series of columns that were eventually installed. At this point, there was no electrical out to the hole so I had to operate with extension cords and lamps.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1008.jpg

Trouble
12-23-2010, 10:20 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 10:22 AM
Did i see some beer cans in the bottom of that hole ? :thumbsup

LOL! Yes, Mr. Budweiser came over many times in those days to help me with the project....lol

I haven't seen Mr. Budweiser for several months though. :thumbsup

Trouble
12-23-2010, 10:22 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 10:36 AM
At this point, I was thinking I was making great progress. Here you see my exhaust fan (an attic fan) installed. The reason you see it so elevated off the roof is that I knew I'd be putting about 2 feet of material on top of the roof ( 2 feet packed dirt required for a safe minimum radiation protection). You also see a new wheelbarrow I had to break down and buy as my old one fell completely apart....lol And I do mean fell apart.

You'll also note that Teen T is beginning the process of putting the dirt back around the hole and on top of the hole. As it happened, the dirt we put on top had to come back off as I'll get to later. Teen T was NOT happy with me when I told him the dirt had to come back off the hole. I can't say I blame him. I'll explain all that later.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1011.jpg

The blue pipe you see sticking up is 8 inch PVC pipe which serves as the fresh air intake. I didn't cut it down till I was ready to install the air filter and housing.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1024.jpg

Trouble
12-23-2010, 10:36 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 10:49 AM
Here you see the air intake coming through the roof and extending down just above the hole floor.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1022.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1021.jpg

Trouble
12-23-2010, 10:49 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

BitemeIamtoxic
12-23-2010, 12:52 PM
The Movie Version (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091541/)

BitemeIamtoxic
12-23-2010, 12:52 PM
The Movie Version (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091541/)

Trouble
12-23-2010, 01:02 PM
The Movie Version (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091541/)

LOL! So true! :happy

Trouble
12-23-2010, 01:02 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
12-23-2010, 04:10 PM
My Dad, a builder, would have been proud of your project Trouble
it appears sound, and well thought out

i say kudos, it maybe could take a direct hit
it a least would provide a temporary safehaven from roving gangs
of pillaging bastardos:happy

Bard
12-23-2010, 04:10 PM
My Dad, a builder, would have been proud of your project Trouble
it appears sound, and well thought out

i say kudos, it maybe could take a direct hit
it a least would provide a temporary safehaven from roving gangs
of pillaging bastardos:happy

jtxk
12-23-2010, 04:29 PM
The .357 should take care of the roving gangs, I'm thinking this would be nice for some of our Texas tornadoes that don't submit to .357's.

jtxk
12-23-2010, 04:29 PM
The .357 should take care of the roving gangs, I'm thinking this would be nice for some of our Texas tornadoes that don't submit to .357's.

Trouble
12-23-2010, 04:31 PM
i say kudos, it maybe could take a direct hit

I dunno. I was watching some videos of artillery rounds.....I fear a direct hit would blow us up for sure. And no way it could survive any kind of real nuclear hit. The over pressure is just wayyyy to much for a structure, even one like this one could bear up to.

Basically, I feel VERY confident that it would withstand ANY strength of tornado and after I get it completely sealed up, it will protect against fallout.

If we get hit by a nuke, I'm in the same boat as everybody else.

Now, I'm sure the first nuclear targets would be the cities, but after that infrastructure and energy supplies would be next I assume. We sit smack in the middle of the largest wind farm on the planet and the second largest oil field in this State....so....it might be possible that "they" have a smallish nuke slated for Snyder. I suppose it would be a country like Russia or China that would have enough spare nukes laying around to even bother with a little town like where I am. terrorists would hit the major population centers.

I just don't want the family to have to run if a fallout situation occurs. I hate to think about what will happen to people panicking and trying to get away from the fallout cloud. ANYTHING could happen under circumstances like that. Plus, which way do you go? Where will you get gas? EVERYBODY else will be looking for gas too.

No, if that occurs, we'll be tucked safe in the hole waiting it all out. I've given a lot of thought to what people would do in a situation where a nuke cloud was dropping fallout on the area. Those that don't escape the area will be dead if they don't take shelter so I wouldn't have to worry about them after they are irradiated. As I see it, the danger time would be just before the cloud comes over as people that stay will be looking for supplies and shelter. I won't go into and seal the shelter till I know the cloud is on us if I have a way to get that info. I'll be guarding the shelter and dropping dead any person or groups of people trying to take over the hole.

By my birthday, I want to get a 30-30 to finish off my arsenal.

Scoped 30-30 rifle for long range sniper defense (I have quite a killing field both in front and behind the house)
Scoped .22 rifle for both long range and short range light defense
12 gauge shotgun for short range defense
.357 magnum revolver for close in defense

If society goes all to hell, I'll carry the .357 magnum and the shotgun as I "loot" for supplies. I don't really know if looting is the correct term to use when all has gone to hell and there's nobody around but the few who are preparing as I am.

I don't want to kill anybody, but if this all goes to hell in a handbasket, there's no doubt in my mind that it's a very high possibility. That's why I train with my weapons. That's why I take Little T to the gun range. Teen T isn't into anything like that at all. He's much to much a pacifist. Unlike me....lol

Trouble
12-23-2010, 04:31 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
12-23-2010, 04:46 PM
I just don't want the family to have to run if a fallout situation occurs. I hate to think about what will happen to people panicking and trying to get away from the fallout cloud. ANYTHING could happen under circumstances like that. Plus, which way do you go? Where will you get gas? EVERYBODY else will be looking for gas too.

It would be IMMEDIATE gridlock from
coast to coast,folk wandering lost and bewildered
while the looting mentality would immediately see it as a twisted opportunity
to loot pillage murder and in gerneral create further havock.

Only those with a plan or with airplanes and runways would have a chance
and those with supplied compounds and weaponry, safety in numbers,
it would be immeditate havock and chaos, the media silenced immediately
NO visable form of law enforcement left, , instant grilock in the major cities and outlands would be a given, beyond that...

You see, we do not know how to wrap our minds around NO communication
once that teat was gone, INSTANT panic and lawlessness would break out

For me personally, only my faith could steady me for such a day and time as this.

Bard
12-23-2010, 04:46 PM
I just don't want the family to have to run if a fallout situation occurs. I hate to think about what will happen to people panicking and trying to get away from the fallout cloud. ANYTHING could happen under circumstances like that. Plus, which way do you go? Where will you get gas? EVERYBODY else will be looking for gas too.

It would be IMMEDIATE gridlock from
coast to coast,folk wandering lost and bewildered
while the looting mentality would immediately see it as a twisted opportunity
to loot pillage murder and in gerneral create further havock.

Only those with a plan or with airplanes and runways would have a chance
and those with supplied compounds and weaponry, safety in numbers,
it would be immeditate havock and chaos, the media silenced immediately
NO visable form of law enforcement left, , instant grilock in the major cities and outlands would be a given, beyond that...

You see, we do not know how to wrap our minds around NO communication
once that teat was gone, INSTANT panic and lawlessness would break out

For me personally, only my faith could steady me for such a day and time as this.

Trouble
12-23-2010, 04:57 PM
Only a belief system can calm a soul in the midst of a firey furnace


That's ironic as I have been re-reading Daniel the last few days. Great and prophetic book.

Trouble
12-23-2010, 04:57 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
12-23-2010, 04:59 PM
That's ironic as I have been re-reading Daniel the last few days. Great and prophetic book.

I edited on you, yet the quote you got is good
The three you refer to had grand faith
and as they moved upon their faith, THEN
the fourth man in the furnace was revealed.

Yes I gree Daniel is very relevant
to these days upon us we may see ushered in.

Russia, China

The late great planet earth.
There was a reason for its poularity.
Hal believe in more symbols than i do
I believe what described is literal.

Much easier for a simple man to approach the
scriptures to my way of thinking,
Where do we draw the line if we start
believing the scriptures were are only symbolic?
I would could not deal with that responsability
I believe it means what it says, and says what it means.

Bard
12-23-2010, 04:59 PM
That's ironic as I have been re-reading Daniel the last few days. Great and prophetic book.

I edited on you, yet the quote you got is good
The three you refer to had grand faith
and as they moved upon their faith, THEN
the fourth man in the furnace was revealed.

Yes I gree Daniel is very relevant
to these days upon us we may see ushered in.

Russia, China

The late great planet earth.
There was a reason for its poularity.
Hal believe in more symbols than i do
I believe what described is literal.

Much easier for a simple man to approach the
scriptures to my way of thinking,
Where do we draw the line if we start
believing the scriptures were are only symbolic?
I would could not deal with that responsability
I believe it means what it says, and says what it means.

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:02 PM
I
Only those with a plan or with airplanes and runways would have a chance


Hopefully, my neighbors that know I have the shelter won't suddenly decide they are my friend after all this time....lol

Or worse, decide they want to take the shelter from me.

Anybody that tries a bunch of crap like that will find themselves put out of their misery. I won't freaking blink an eye under those circumstances.

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:02 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:03 PM
I edited on you, yet the quote you got is good
The three you refer to had grand faith
and as they moved upon their faith, THEN
the fourth man in the furnace was revealed.

Wonder how King Neb could recognize the fourth as the Son of Man? I've always wondered that.

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:03 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:06 PM
Of course, you're welcome in the shelter Sir Bard as payback for hosting this thread...lol

Course, there's no way for you to get here anyway. I have no clue what you're exact location is or what your domicile at this time looks like as far as a defensive hold out goes.

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:06 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:09 PM
Hopefully, my neighbors that know I have the shelter won't suddenly decide they are my friend after all this time....lol

Or worse, decide they want to take the shelter from me.

Anybody that tries a bunch of crap like that will find themselves put out of their misery. I won't freaking blink an eye under those circumstances.


Of course they would, you should expect it.

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:09 PM
Hopefully, my neighbors that know I have the shelter won't suddenly decide they are my friend after all this time....lol

Or worse, decide they want to take the shelter from me.

Anybody that tries a bunch of crap like that will find themselves put out of their misery. I won't freaking blink an eye under those circumstances.


Of course they would, you should expect it.

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:12 PM
Of course, you're welcome in the shelter Sir Bard as payback for hosting this thread...lol

Course, there's no way for you to get here anyway. I have no clue what you're exact location is or what your domicile at this time looks like as far as a defensive hold out goes.

A grand invitation I shall never forget
Yet, as you say, NONE will be able to travel
unless they had a foreknowledge,
The word say God does nothing without
revealing it first to his prophets,

No, gridlock would be IMMEDIATE
WHILE there was law, ALL borders would be SEALED off.
The Fight against those barriers
will in part play a role in the immediate breakdown of law enforcement and miliatry rule, they would be immediately deluged.

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:12 PM
Of course, you're welcome in the shelter Sir Bard as payback for hosting this thread...lol

Course, there's no way for you to get here anyway. I have no clue what you're exact location is or what your domicile at this time looks like as far as a defensive hold out goes.

A grand invitation I shall never forget
Yet, as you say, NONE will be able to travel
unless they had a foreknowledge,
The word say God does nothing without
revealing it first to his prophets,

No, gridlock would be IMMEDIATE
WHILE there was law, ALL borders would be SEALED off.
The Fight against those barriers
will in part play a role in the immediate breakdown of law enforcement and miliatry rule, they would be immediately deluged.

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:17 PM
I may invest in a shotgun Trouble
But my mainstay would be the Lord my refuge
My first choice of defence
The front house has a
basement, vey rare for Ca houses
Very old historical home
I bet theres a lotta rodents there
creepy.

im so close to LA
The tsunami of folk leaving LA would mow me over
ALL would be reaching East for the desert
the battle and race to get there
would be cemented in gridlock
instantly.

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:17 PM
I may invest in a shotgun Trouble
But my mainstay would be the Lord my refuge
My first choice of defence
The front house has a
basement, vey rare for Ca houses
Very old historical home
I bet theres a lotta rodents there
creepy.

im so close to LA
The tsunami of folk leaving LA would mow me over
ALL would be reaching East for the desert
the battle and race to get there
would be cemented in gridlock
instantly.

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:19 PM
Well now, this is a cheery thread eh? :rahrah

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:19 PM
Well now, this is a cheery thread eh? :rahrah

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:20 PM
Im in a bad place, we got San Diego bases south
Point Magoo and LA East
and a Base norh in the desert
Id catch some shit here I imagine. :reporter

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:20 PM
Im in a bad place, we got San Diego bases south
Point Magoo and LA East
and a Base norh in the desert
Id catch some shit here I imagine. :reporter

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:25 PM
Im in a bad place, we got San Diego bases south
Point Magoo and LA East
and a Base norh in the desert
Id catch some shit here I imagine. :reporter

Yes, you're right in the smack dab middle of where all the shit would be as it hits the fan.

Lord help us ALL if that dreaded day we speak of ever does come.

A lot of people just give up and say "Oh well...there's nothing I can do." Well, that's only true if you do NOTHING. If you get wasted in the nuclear fire then true, there's nothing you could do, but MOST will NOT die that way. Most will die from radiation poisoning and the breakdown of society. radiation sickness is NO WAY TO DIE I can tell you that.

Yes indeed, thsi is a fun thread is it not!!!! :laugh

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:25 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:25 PM
PS

As faR as the direct hit goes
I was just trying to make you feel better:laugh
It sure would work good for tonados however:thumbsup



PS, Its my honor to host this thread

Know that!

the title alone is worthy :reporter

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:25 PM
PS

As faR as the direct hit goes
I was just trying to make you feel better:laugh
It sure would work good for tonados however:thumbsup



PS, Its my honor to host this thread

Know that!

the title alone is worthy :reporter

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:27 PM
PS

As faR as the direct hit goes
I was just trying to make you feel better:laugh


I wonder just how powerful a howitzer shell is anyway? There's folk that post here that know I'm sure. Most likely it would blow the hole to kingdom come with a direct hit would it not? It's a hell of an explosion as it seems.

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:27 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:37 PM
I wonder just how powerful a howitzer shell is anyway? There's folk that post here that know I'm sure. Most likely it would blow the hole to kingdom come with a direct hit would it not? It's a hell of an explosion as it seems.

sadly Trouble, I think given mans base nature
the masses would die in our turning on each other in confusion, frustration and fear, KNOWING there was no law whatsoever anymore.

My place is very unpretentious, I could board it up real well, and few would bother with such a modest place i imagine. Theres noting of interest here
most likly the masses would mosy right on by me :reporter

Seeing the 1989 Toyota truck in the driveway
pretty much sums it all up:thumbsup

Yet I still get offers


LOL

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:37 PM
I wonder just how powerful a howitzer shell is anyway? There's folk that post here that know I'm sure. Most likely it would blow the hole to kingdom come with a direct hit would it not? It's a hell of an explosion as it seems.

sadly Trouble, I think given mans base nature
the masses would die in our turning on each other in confusion, frustration and fear, KNOWING there was no law whatsoever anymore.

My place is very unpretentious, I could board it up real well, and few would bother with such a modest place i imagine. Theres noting of interest here
most likly the masses would mosy right on by me :reporter

Seeing the 1989 Toyota truck in the driveway
pretty much sums it all up:thumbsup

Yet I still get offers


LOL

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:40 PM
s

Seeing the 1989 Toyota truck in the driveway
pretty much sums it all up:thumbsup


LOL! Great idea! I'll park my 86 Ford Van in the front yard.....lol

It's for sale for 500 grip BTW. :thumbsup

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:40 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:44 PM
LOL! Great idea! I'll park my 86 Ford Van in the front yard.....lol

It's for sale for 500 grip BTW. :thumbsup

:exactly


No Trouble, there is nothing more dangerous than uncontrolled mos moving in mass confusion driven by fear, anger,

Couple that with good men attempting to protect their own
We would finsh the job the enemy statred im afraid
he is called the Lord of confusion
fear
anger
violence
muder
etc

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:44 PM
LOL! Great idea! I'll park my 86 Ford Van in the front yard.....lol

It's for sale for 500 grip BTW. :thumbsup

:exactly


No Trouble, there is nothing more dangerous than uncontrolled mos moving in mass confusion driven by fear, anger,

Couple that with good men attempting to protect their own
We would finsh the job the enemy statred im afraid
he is called the Lord of confusion
fear
anger
violence
muder
etc

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:46 PM
Stick some shit out front too with a sign that say free
that says it all

you know your dealing with a being thats
too plum lazy and no-account, to dispose of his own shit!
:happy

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:46 PM
Stick some shit out front too with a sign that say free
that says it all

you know your dealing with a being thats
too plum lazy and no-account, to dispose of his own shit!
:happy

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:48 PM
LOL! Great idea! I'll park my 86 Ford Van in the front yard.....lol

It's for sale for 500 grip BTW. :thumbsup

ADD OBO!! :reporter

Bard
12-23-2010, 05:48 PM
LOL! Great idea! I'll park my 86 Ford Van in the front yard.....lol

It's for sale for 500 grip BTW. :thumbsup

ADD OBO!! :reporter

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:57 PM
When the backhoe guy dug the hole, I had him start the entry. I had no clue how much to take out so he got me started anyway. But as you can see, there was quite a bit more dirt that had to come out in order to make an appropriate stairway. So, I had Teen T and one of his friends help dig it out. By this time Teen T was beginning to show signs of rebellion...lol

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1030.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1031.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1033.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/Hpim1034.jpg

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:57 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:58 PM
Stick some shit out front too with a sign that say free
that says it all

you know your dealing with a being thats
too plum lazy and no-account, to dispose of his own shit!
:happy

LOL! :axl7

Trouble
12-23-2010, 05:58 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
12-23-2010, 06:04 PM
When the backhoe guy dug the hole, I had him start the entry. I had no clue how much to take out so he got me started anyway. But as you can see, there was quite a bit more dirt that had to come out in order to make an appropriate stairway. So, I had Teen T and one of his friends help dig it out. By this time Teen T was beginning to show signs of rebellion...lol

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1030.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1031.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1033.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/Hpim1034.jpg


Thats 'the Bomb' Trouble

Your older boy been working out :thumbsup

I bet lil T likes hanging out in there?

Bard
12-23-2010, 06:04 PM
When the backhoe guy dug the hole, I had him start the entry. I had no clue how much to take out so he got me started anyway. But as you can see, there was quite a bit more dirt that had to come out in order to make an appropriate stairway. So, I had Teen T and one of his friends help dig it out. By this time Teen T was beginning to show signs of rebellion...lol

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1030.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1031.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1033.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/Hpim1034.jpg


Thats 'the Bomb' Trouble

Your older boy been working out :thumbsup

I bet lil T likes hanging out in there?

Trouble
12-23-2010, 06:18 PM
Yea, Little T thinks it's a pretty cool thing....lol It's like a fort to him. :laugh

Trouble
12-23-2010, 06:18 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Greta Gabbo
12-23-2010, 07:35 PM
I still think you should put a gazebo on the top. You can have parties out there.

Greta Gabbo
12-23-2010, 07:35 PM
I still think you should put a gazebo on the top. You can have parties out there.

Trouble
12-23-2010, 08:11 PM
I still think you should put a gazebo on the top. You can have parties out there.

Yea, I think I remember you said I should build a deck at one point on top of it? :reporter

Trouble
12-23-2010, 08:11 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-24-2010, 06:09 AM
The next thing I needed to do was to build the entry and stairwell. Rebar and remesh was used in order to give support and to tie in the base with the walls that would eventually support the outer door.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1047.jpg

Here we are beginning to pour the base. As you see the rebar and remesh stick up through the base. That's where I'll form up the walls that will support the outer door.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1054.jpg

We mixed our own concrete. Here you see Teen T mixing another batch up to pour on the entry. By this time, he was muttering under his breath alot and I had to lean on him to work.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1065.jpg

Here you see the base poured. After the concrete sets, we'll break off the forms and build the support walls for the outer door.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1075.jpg

Trouble
12-24-2010, 06:09 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-24-2010, 07:09 AM
It was at this time that we encountered what would be a long running battle with water in the hole. On August 16th 2007, TS Erin landed in Texas and worked its way towards our area dumping heavy rains. The following is a short video of what happened to the hole. Now, at this time, I still had no clue about the true nature of the problem with the water table. The water in the hole I attributed to rainfall. Little did I know the entire story behind the water was much more complicated than simply rain falling from the sky. I certainly would learn the truth of the matter though. In spades baby.

CLICK LINK TO VIEW VIDEO (http://s960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/?action=view&current=HPIM1078.mp4)

Trouble
12-24-2010, 07:09 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-24-2010, 07:40 AM
It was about this same time that I had to go in for back surgery. It was a major surgery involving the removal of some of my vertebrae (L4 and L5) that was putting pressure on my nerves. I had gotten to the point where I couldn't hardly even walk anymore. But, as I got money, I would buy what I needed for the shelter regardless of whether I was at that point or not or even able to install it One day, a package arrived at the door and the short video below describes some what that package was. Of note is the cat named "Pepper". As you'll see, he prays and worships the package, somehow knowing how important it was/is. :axl7

CLICK THE LINK FOR A SHORT VIDEO (http://s960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/?action=view&current=HPIM1137.mp4)

Trouble
12-24-2010, 07:40 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-24-2010, 09:39 AM
Since I was recovering from surgery, there wasn't too much I could do involving the building of the entry. I made the cuts for the form and "engineered" it but the labor was contracted out to Teen T and his neighbor friend. What you see below are the forms for the support wall for the outer door. One of the silly things I did was to install 1/4 door frame studs (because I had some) and these were wayyyy to lightweight for the job. Eventually that was changed over to 1/2 inch after the fact and let me tell you that was a job, drilling out new holes in the concrete and, well, that's a story for later down the line.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1127.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1131.jpg

Here's a good shot of the support wall's wimpy mounting studs.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1130.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1133.jpg

And finally, here's the boys mixing the concrete for the support walls. I actually had to chew them both out for screwing up the concrete recipe. Pissed me damn well off I'll say. I was hurting, needing help and these two were jacking around, forgetting how many shovel fulls of what they were putting into the soup. What the frak good is crappy concrete I told them (in a loud voice). :axl7

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1128.jpg

Trouble
12-24-2010, 09:39 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Greta Gabbo
12-24-2010, 10:58 AM
Yea, I think I remember you said I should build a deck at one point on top of it? :reporter


Or you could make a screened-in type deck where you could sit with your iced tea and read.

Have you had a bad enough storm yet that you've used the shelter? I spent quite a few hours of my childhood huddled with my family in Uncle Charley's storm cellar in Oklahoma. My mother was always afraid there'd be a snake in there.

Greta Gabbo
12-24-2010, 10:58 AM
Yea, I think I remember you said I should build a deck at one point on top of it? :reporter


Or you could make a screened-in type deck where you could sit with your iced tea and read.

Have you had a bad enough storm yet that you've used the shelter? I spent quite a few hours of my childhood huddled with my family in Uncle Charley's storm cellar in Oklahoma. My mother was always afraid there'd be a snake in there.

Trouble
12-24-2010, 11:02 AM
Or you could make a screened-in type deck where you could sit with your iced tea and read.

Have you had a bad enough storm yet that you've used the shelter? I spent quite a few hours of my childhood huddled with my family in Uncle Charley's storm cellar in Oklahoma. My mother was always afraid there'd be a snake in there.

Twice we had to run in there just to make sure we had shelter as it was reported that tornadoes were roaming the area. Course, we were actually hit by an F1 tornado (which did very minimal damage) way before it was anywhere near ready to be occupied. I was at work and Ms. trouble actually SLEPT through the damn thing....lol Trees snapping, roof flying off my observatory, etc. and she snored....lol

Unreal. :axl7

Trouble
12-24-2010, 11:02 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Greta Gabbo
12-24-2010, 11:17 AM
She must have been really tired.

Greta Gabbo
12-24-2010, 11:17 AM
She must have been really tired.

Bard
12-24-2010, 02:58 PM
Trouble,
I did not know it at the time
but in new Mexico 10 years back maybe
i got a plot quarter acre
i was building a structure 15 feet by fifteen
structure

I dug by hand Pick & shovel, the 2 and a half foot footing
mixed the cement by hand, got all the materials
then landed in the hospital with Phenmonia
Had to abandon the project
I do know trecnhing and mixing cement ain't NO fun.
It was mor like 15 years i think.

Bard
12-24-2010, 02:58 PM
Trouble,
I did not know it at the time
but in new Mexico 10 years back maybe
i got a plot quarter acre
i was building a structure 15 feet by fifteen
structure

I dug by hand Pick & shovel, the 2 and a half foot footing
mixed the cement by hand, got all the materials
then landed in the hospital with Phenmonia
Had to abandon the project
I do know trecnhing and mixing cement ain't NO fun.
It was mor like 15 years i think.

Trouble
12-25-2010, 10:07 PM
Trouble,
I did not know it at the time
but in new Mexico 10 years back maybe
i got a plot quarter acre
i was building a structure 15 feet by fifteen
structure

You still have that property? :shrug

Trouble
12-25-2010, 10:07 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-25-2010, 10:08 PM
She must have been really tired.

She has no problem sleeping....lol That's for sure. :D

Trouble
12-25-2010, 10:08 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-25-2010, 10:30 PM
It was in Nov. of 2007 that I had my back surgery. I was completely out for many weeks.The neurosurgeon had to remove a substantial part of two vertebrae (L4 and L5) in my lumbar region. Basically, those two vertebrae have no lamina nor spinal processes. The muscles that were cut took a long time to attach themselves back to....ermmmm...basically wherever they could. It still gives me problems to this day but I keep going and for the most part, my back is soooo much better than it was before the surgery.

I'll tell you this, you better be a tough SOB to go through all that though.

Regardless of my back however, I knew I had to keep working, keep pushing myself so here you see me in January 2008, just a few months after surgery taking the dirt off the top of the hole. During the time I was recuperating, I had decided that I needed concrete on top of the roof before I put the dirt on.....lol

It gets damn cold here in January so that's why you see the get up I'm wearing.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/colddig.jpg

Trouble
12-25-2010, 10:30 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-26-2010, 09:02 AM
Below you see the dirt shoveled and swept off the hole. I pretty much did that job by myself since Teen T decided that once was all he'd move it....lol That attitude was beginning to wear on me but I needed help so I didn't say too much at that time.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1286.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1285.jpg

The close proximity of the south side of the hole and the fence has always been an issue and still is to this day. The cinder blocks were meant as a barrier to keep the dirt from spilling into the ally. It worked, but as time has progressed, the cinderblock have shifted and I'll be re-doing all that in the spring after the hole is 100% complete inside. My intentions are to build concrete forms around the cinder block and pour concrete, nice and level to permanently fix the problem.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1287.jpg

Here you see Teen T back on the job mixing concrete for the roof. We ended up building it up in layers so there's 3-4 inches of concrete on the roof now.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1291.jpg

Here's the first layer of concrete completed. We worked long and hard to get that layer on. Subsequent layers would build the concrete up to between 3 and 4 inches. The purpose of the concrete was two-fold. One, I wanted a denser material for radiation protection and also I wanted a layer of fairly impervious material between the wood roof and dirt to help prevent any wood rot.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1297.jpg

Trouble
12-26-2010, 09:02 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-26-2010, 10:39 AM
LOL.....somebody asked earlier whatever happened to "Duck and Cover". Well.....click the link below. :axl7

Duck and Cover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyOXMIZ7MpY&feature=player_embedded#!)

Trouble
12-26-2010, 10:39 AM
LOL.....somebody asked earlier whatever happened to "Duck and Cover". Well.....click the link below. :axl7

Duck and Cover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyOXMIZ7MpY&feature=player_embedded#!)

Trouble
12-26-2010, 11:07 AM
I found this just funnier than hell....lol

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/water.jpg

Trouble
12-26-2010, 11:07 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

axl803
12-26-2010, 04:26 PM
I found this just funnier than hell....lol

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/water.jpg


thet jes crazy funny :axl7

axl803
12-26-2010, 04:26 PM
I found this just funnier than hell....lol

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/water.jpg


thet jes crazy funny :axl7

Trouble
12-26-2010, 04:55 PM
lol....hi axl. Ya got to have a wacky sense of humor to think of that dehydrated water thing....lol

Trouble
12-26-2010, 04:55 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

axl803
12-26-2010, 05:14 PM
lol....hi axl. Ya got to have a wacky sense of humor to think of that dehydrated water thing....lol


yo trouble :axl7

make sure yo stock plenty :axl7

in yo sheltah :axl7 :axl7

axl803
12-26-2010, 05:14 PM
lol....hi axl. Ya got to have a wacky sense of humor to think of that dehydrated water thing....lol


yo trouble :axl7

make sure yo stock plenty :axl7

in yo sheltah :axl7 :axl7

Calli
12-26-2010, 05:31 PM
Of course, there will be a place to keep your powder dry, and store your armaments in case some varmints want to storm your shelter, right?

Calli
12-26-2010, 05:31 PM
Of course, there will be a place to keep your powder dry, and store your armaments in case some varmints want to storm your shelter, right?

Trouble
12-30-2010, 09:10 AM
Of course, there will be a place to keep your powder dry, and store your armaments in case some varmints want to storm your shelter, right?

Absolutely. Firearms and ammo are critical factors in survival. Having a means to defend yourself is going to be a necessity in a worst case scenario. Now, having guns and ammo may not guarantee you a thing, but NOT having them certainly INCREASES your chances of being at the mercy of those "varmints".

As well, simply having the weapons doesn't mean a thing if you don't know how to use them and use them effectively. That's why we go shooting so often. We don't just shoot at a stationary target all the time either. I've had Little T and me shoot at targets in three positions. Standing, then kneeling then prone. Not paramilitary training by any means, but you never know when you might find yourself in a position where you need to move and shoot. If fact, moving and shooting might just save your life in a gun battle.

Just the other day, I went out with the .357 and set up three targets spread apart by about 12 feet or so. At 50 feet away, my goal was to put a bullet in each target as fast as I could and still hit the target. Draw, quickly aim and fire, aim at new target, fire and then once again with the third target. I can't tell you how much harder that is to do than just standing and shooting at a single stationary target. But, it increases you skills, it makes you more familiar with a real life situation.

For instance, you may run into a single intruder that will just stand there for you to shoot. More than likely not! You have to practice and train to get your weapon out of the holster, aimed and ready to shoot. More than likely there will be MORE than a single intruder in a worst case scenario. If you're only comfortable shooting at a single stationary target, then if you find yourself up against 3 varmints, you might not get your shots on target. In fact, you most likely will miss.

We move and shoot in my family. We "train" for scenarios. Like the other day, I'd mix it up in my head. The three targets were three bad guys. Which one of the three was the most threatening? Which one draws down on me first? You don't want to shoot #3 first if it's #2 that is about to shoot YOU. You have to train your brain to look at all three targets simultaneously and when you see the first threat, that's where you send your bullet first. Then, as a matter of safety, you take the other two down as well. That's how I "train" anyway. In a real life scenario, I may or may not take out all three. Hell, I might not make it out of the gun battle without getting hit or killed myself.

But, I do know that if I don't "train" for any scenario, my chances of LIVING in a worst case scenario goes dramatically down.

Probably more than you wanted to know about varmint killin' Calli....lol

Trouble
12-30-2010, 09:10 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
12-30-2010, 09:22 AM
I can't really train for shooting a moving target at the range. And, I haven't been able to find anybody willing to gear up in full body armor and run around for me....lol

Bard? Volunteer??? :reporter

Trouble
12-30-2010, 09:22 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-09-2011, 09:40 AM
HellHole Video (http://s960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/?action=view&current=HPIM2112.mp4)

The above is about a seven minute video that catches you up to the progress in the HellHole through the winter of 2009. Things were in pretty bad shape in those days. Somewhere I have some pictures of the water that stood in it for so long but can't put my finger on them for some reason.

Anyway, at this point, I have poured the concrete on the roof and covered it up with what was left of the dirt piled up around the Hellhole from the original dig.

I think the video pretty much speaks for itself and be sure and catch that winning smile ol' Trouble gives you all at the finale. This is an old Board of Truth video, back in the day. Enjoy! :thumbsup

Trouble
01-09-2011, 09:40 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
01-09-2011, 03:52 PM
I can't really train for shooting a moving target at the range. And, I haven't been able to find anybody willing to gear up in full body armor and run around for me....lol

Bard? Volunteer??? :reporter

No thanks :thud


Remind me if this gets off the front page to stick it in the
photo niche Trouble

Bard
01-09-2011, 03:52 PM
I can't really train for shooting a moving target at the range. And, I haven't been able to find anybody willing to gear up in full body armor and run around for me....lol

Bard? Volunteer??? :reporter

No thanks :thud


Remind me if this gets off the front page to stick it in the
photo niche Trouble

Trouble
01-09-2011, 05:57 PM
No thanks :thud


Remind me if this gets off the front page to stick it in the
photo niche Trouble

Thanks amigo. :thumbsup

Trouble
01-09-2011, 05:57 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
01-09-2011, 06:02 PM
Thanks amigo. :thumbsup
It is a deserving piece Trouble.....

Its a 'how to'...& then some

Hell, the smile alone is worthy :thumbsup

Bard
01-09-2011, 06:02 PM
Thanks amigo. :thumbsup
It is a deserving piece Trouble.....

Its a 'how to'...& then some

Hell, the smile alone is worthy :thumbsup

Trouble
01-09-2011, 06:24 PM
It is a deserving piece Trouble.....

Its a how do...& then some

Hell, the smile alone is worthy :thumbsup

I'd say we're about half way through the story at this point in the thread....lol :old

Trouble
01-09-2011, 06:24 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
01-09-2011, 06:37 PM
I'd say we're about half way through the story at this point in the thread....lol :old

I tend more to think we are roughly 'just now' embarking upon a 'historical
incrament of time', I think we will be around to see about 3 years plus,
But its all rough math at best.:winky

I willingly with humility admit, to rough math indeed,
as well as giving or taking a few years here or there.

Bard
01-09-2011, 06:37 PM
I'd say we're about half way through the story at this point in the thread....lol :old

I tend more to think we are roughly 'just now' embarking upon a 'historical
incrament of time', I think we will be around to see about 3 years plus,
But its all rough math at best.:winky

I willingly with humility admit, to rough math indeed,
as well as giving or taking a few years here or there.

Trouble
01-10-2011, 07:02 AM
I tend more to think we are roughly 'just now' embarking upon a 'historical
incrament of time',

I need through the Spring. All the way till the beginning of Summer to have The Hole 100% finished, inside and out. January through March to finish the inside with shelves, animal kennels, paint, carpet, etc. and then March through June to get the outside landscaped. By June, I want to have a good supply of canned food and water and other sundries stored up.

The last major expense and work to do inside is to buy and install a gas generator. My plans are to have it rigged such that if we get knocked off the grid, a simple switch will convert us over to generator power. I need one big enough to run the fresh air intake, sump pump (when needed), lights, computer and TV as well as a hot plate (for warming up meals). I'll have to figure maximum wattage required and buy a generator accordingly.

By Summer's end, I want to be 100% ready for whatever comes our way, if anything at all.

Trouble
01-10-2011, 07:02 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
01-14-2011, 04:45 PM
When you add to this trouble Ill bring it out
Then when it runs its course ill stick it again in the photo nitch
untill you add to it again :thumbsup

Bard
01-14-2011, 04:45 PM
When you add to this trouble Ill bring it out
Then when it runs its course ill stick it again in the photo nitch
untill you add to it again :thumbsup

Trouble
01-14-2011, 04:54 PM
In June of 2009, I had the interior concrete walls built. The JOB ahead was getting the dirt out of The Hole so I could pour a floor. Just a couple of inches of concrete, enough to get us off the dirt. It's wasn't like there was going to be a lot of traffic on it. So, the job began in earnest to get the dirt out and off the floor with the addition of a couple more inches deeper in order to accommodate the concrete without losing any more clearance than I had already.

By this point, I was working on The Hole by myself. Teen T had folded. He cried "no mas!" like Roberto Duran after he had taken all he could take from Sugar. :laugh

So, I had to be smart! I'll describe how I got the dirt out later but for now I'll leave you with a few pictures showing you what I had to deal with. You may be able to tell how deep I went by comparing the two levels. Suffice it to say there was a lot that had to come out.

At this point in time, the water table had dropped and the dirt was only moist. Previously it had varied from a swimming pool to a mud slop pit and all phases in between. You can see mud splashed up everywhere from working down there and plodding around in the mud.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/HPIM2238.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/HPIM2238.jpg

Trouble
01-14-2011, 04:54 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-14-2011, 04:57 PM
And yes, that's a big pile of dirt you see on the right. That all had to come out too.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/HPIM2238.jpg

Trouble
01-14-2011, 04:57 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-15-2011, 08:05 AM
I wanted to jump back just a bit and show you some pics of the walls and how they were done.

In this pic, you should get the general idea. Re-bar and re-mesh re-enforced concrete.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1479.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1485.jpg

The plywood form was bowing out some from the mass of the concrete so I threw some impromptu braces up. Look, I just wanted concrete walls, I wasn't looking to impress anybody....lol

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2110.jpg

Here is the concrete poured to form the walls.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2107.jpg

I may have shown these pics before but wanted to make sure you saw how it looked when water was in the hole. This water you see is after about 6 inches was pumped out. These pics were in 2008. Things changed some concerning water in The Hole after I got the concrete floor in......BUT NOT BY MUCH. That saga will be covered in the next few days.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1340.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM1342.jpg

During those times, it was VERY hard for ol Trouble to get the gumption up to continue. It seemed like the very elements were against me. In truth, they were.

Trouble
01-15-2011, 08:05 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-15-2011, 08:34 AM
Still in that 2008 time-line, you'll see the event that precipitated my need to concrete in the interior walls. The ground was water logged and behold! An entire SECTION of the wall collapsed! That dirt was what you saw piled up next to the wall in a prior picture.

I knew we were in trouble with all the continual standing water but admittedly, my heart began to race wildly when I saw this the first time! I foresaw all the hard work disappearing as I realized that not knowing we had a high water table here was a total game changer for me.

Then, as I am, I got pissed. I'm not talking pissed like a tantrum, I'm talking pissed as in resolute. Determined. Hardened. STEEL.

I bowed up and said aloud "Satan! Foul demon! I will not be stopped! Throw your entire power at me! By God above and all that is righteous I command you Get Thee Behind Me!"

And he took the challenge and the struggle continues to this day, yet as I look back, I clearly mark that the foul dragon has been rocked and is wobbling on his heals.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/HPIM1469.jpg

Trouble
01-15-2011, 08:34 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-15-2011, 09:06 AM
Here you see the entry area formed up for the interior concrete walls. Sorry if the photo journal is a bit tossed around right now. I'm finding some of the pictures I couldn't find earlier.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2102.jpg

Trouble
01-15-2011, 09:06 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-15-2011, 09:10 AM
Here's a pic of Little T and one of Teen T's friends helping in the hole. It was after the walls got poured that all others abandoned me. I took it as yet another attempt by the dark, foul one to stop me. Back surgery, swamps, collapsed walls, left alone with the struggle.

I wrestled with the demon daily. His battle is for naught. Victory will be mine.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2111.jpg

Trouble
01-15-2011, 09:10 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-15-2011, 09:12 AM
Meanwhile, work also continued on the outside of The Hole. Here you see I'm filling the space between the walls and entry I poured.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/sealingdoor.jpg

Trouble
01-15-2011, 09:12 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-15-2011, 09:37 AM
Still in that 2008 time frame, here you see a short video of Trouble and Teen T putting in the first wall where the collapse occurred. You might close your eyes the first 2-3 seconds as I shoot snot out of my nose....lol

http://s960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/?action=view&current=Hellhole4.mp4

Trouble
01-15-2011, 09:37 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

StrayStar
01-15-2011, 09:38 AM
What are you going to use for heat if you have to hole up down there in the winter time? You just went through a cold spell, it would be tough to take more than a day or so down there.

StrayStar
01-15-2011, 09:38 AM
What are you going to use for heat if you have to hole up down there in the winter time? You just went through a cold spell, it would be tough to take more than a day or so down there.

Trouble
01-15-2011, 09:45 AM
What are you going to use for heat if you have to hole up down there in the winter time? You just went through a cold spell, it would be tough to take more than a day or so down there.

I've wondered about that too. I went down there the other day and it was about 20 degrees warmer than the outside. That would put it at about 40 degrees in the hole.

At 40, it would be hard to hold on. Honestly, it's a good point and a bridge I haven't crossed yet. An electric heater would suck a generator dry. Gas heaters would suck out all the oxygen unless I'm running my intake fan. but that would be drawing 20 degree air inside. That wouldn't work for long...lol

You got any ideas? :shrug

Trouble
01-15-2011, 09:45 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

StrayStar
01-15-2011, 10:36 AM
If it was just shelter I would suggest a small radiant kerosene heater. A 10,000 btu one would heat it nicely and only use about a gallon of kero every 12-14 hours of continued burning. In the fall when the temps are in the 40s I get a day to a day and a half per gallon by stopping and starting. You don't need a stack and with the right model you could heat food/water on the top of it.

If you have to be sealed and no outside oxy then you couldn't burn one. Not sure what you would do.

Cool temps can be endured a day or 2 if you have to, but not for a prolonged stay.

StrayStar
01-15-2011, 10:36 AM
If it was just shelter I would suggest a small radiant kerosene heater. A 10,000 btu one would heat it nicely and only use about a gallon of kero every 12-14 hours of continued burning. In the fall when the temps are in the 40s I get a day to a day and a half per gallon by stopping and starting. You don't need a stack and with the right model you could heat food/water on the top of it.

If you have to be sealed and no outside oxy then you couldn't burn one. Not sure what you would do.

Cool temps can be endured a day or 2 if you have to, but not for a prolonged stay.

Trouble
01-15-2011, 11:19 AM
The thought "electric blankets" went through my head..............

Trouble
01-15-2011, 11:19 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

StrayStar
01-16-2011, 01:46 AM
There is a guy out in Oregon from whom I buy stuff like wicks for my various kerosene heaters who also is one of the pioneers in the survivalist movements.

Miles Stair's Wick Shop (http://www.milesstair.com/)

He also has a survivalist web site: End Times Report (http://www.endtimesreport.com/Site_Index.htm)

I have emailed back and forth with him a number of times over the years regarding kerosene heaters and he's always been very friendly and helpful - spot on with his advice regarding heater troubleshooting & repair. I buy my wicks from him and they are top notch, better (and cheaper!) than what you can get in hardware stores around here.

He may have an answer to your heat problem.

:thumbsup

Edited to add: It looks like he thinks kero is one of the ways to go after a disaster...

" ...Ultimately, we will all probably be cooking and heating with wood stoves. But in any type of emergency scenario, it would be much safer to cook and heat with kerosene stoves and heaters. Wood stoves radiate a huge thermal plume visible to infrared detectors, so anyone with night vision goggles, or anyone looking down from a helicopter or airplane, would definitely be able to spot your location in a flash. During daylight hours, the smoke is visible for miles, sort of like a neon sign advertising "free hot food here for the taking." No thanks. It is better to keep out of sight, out of mind until the dust settles, and use kerosene heaters and cookers. "

StrayStar
01-16-2011, 01:46 AM
There is a guy out in Oregon from whom I buy stuff like wicks for my various kerosene heaters who also is one of the pioneers in the survivalist movements.

Miles Stair's Wick Shop (http://www.milesstair.com/)

He also has a survivalist web site: End Times Report (http://www.endtimesreport.com/Site_Index.htm)

I have emailed back and forth with him a number of times over the years regarding kerosene heaters and he's always been very friendly and helpful - spot on with his advice regarding heater troubleshooting & repair. I buy my wicks from him and they are top notch, better (and cheaper!) than what you can get in hardware stores around here.

He may have an answer to your heat problem.

:thumbsup

Edited to add: It looks like he thinks kero is one of the ways to go after a disaster...

" ...Ultimately, we will all probably be cooking and heating with wood stoves. But in any type of emergency scenario, it would be much safer to cook and heat with kerosene stoves and heaters. Wood stoves radiate a huge thermal plume visible to infrared detectors, so anyone with night vision goggles, or anyone looking down from a helicopter or airplane, would definitely be able to spot your location in a flash. During daylight hours, the smoke is visible for miles, sort of like a neon sign advertising "free hot food here for the taking." No thanks. It is better to keep out of sight, out of mind until the dust settles, and use kerosene heaters and cookers. "

StrayStar
01-16-2011, 03:57 AM
Miles Stairs sez...

" Why have kerosene heaters and stoves at all? First, they operate without the use of electricity, so your house can be warm and livable even if the electric power goes out during a winter storm - and you can cook meals, so you will not have to be at the mercy of a public shelter. Second, kerosene itself can be stored in large quantities for a long time. In actual use for heating a home, a gallon of kerosene will provide about the same heat output as a wheelbarrow load of wood! In the event of a total societal breakdown, obviously you would not be able to store enough kerosene to last a lifetime, and in such a case you would need to turn to wood or coal, whatever is available locally, for winter heat. But burning wood or coal means putting up smoke signals showing exactly where you are and telling anyone who sees the smoke plume that you are warm and most likely have other supplies - like food. Why make yourself a target if you don't have to? If everything went to heck in a hand basket, a hundred gallons of kerosene and a good radiant heater would keep you safe in your home over a winter without attracting attention, and that could be enough to keep your family alive - assuming you also have made other preparations. So few people actually prepare that in a year after a major cataclysmic, the unprepared would not be around to steal what you have. "

:thankyou

With our New Hampshire winters snowy, and more important, cold (-16 yesterday), this quote is perhaps quite true:

" So few people actually prepare that in a year after a major cataclysmic, the unprepared would not be around to steal what you have. "

StrayStar
01-16-2011, 03:57 AM
Miles Stairs sez...

" Why have kerosene heaters and stoves at all? First, they operate without the use of electricity, so your house can be warm and livable even if the electric power goes out during a winter storm - and you can cook meals, so you will not have to be at the mercy of a public shelter. Second, kerosene itself can be stored in large quantities for a long time. In actual use for heating a home, a gallon of kerosene will provide about the same heat output as a wheelbarrow load of wood! In the event of a total societal breakdown, obviously you would not be able to store enough kerosene to last a lifetime, and in such a case you would need to turn to wood or coal, whatever is available locally, for winter heat. But burning wood or coal means putting up smoke signals showing exactly where you are and telling anyone who sees the smoke plume that you are warm and most likely have other supplies - like food. Why make yourself a target if you don't have to? If everything went to heck in a hand basket, a hundred gallons of kerosene and a good radiant heater would keep you safe in your home over a winter without attracting attention, and that could be enough to keep your family alive - assuming you also have made other preparations. So few people actually prepare that in a year after a major cataclysmic, the unprepared would not be around to steal what you have. "

:thankyou

With our New Hampshire winters snowy, and more important, cold (-16 yesterday), this quote is perhaps quite true:

" So few people actually prepare that in a year after a major cataclysmic, the unprepared would not be around to steal what you have. "

Trouble
01-16-2011, 05:37 AM
Let me read up on what you've provided and I'll be back on this.............

Trouble
01-16-2011, 05:37 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-16-2011, 06:04 AM
I've bookmarked his survival site. It's good stuff man.

Trouble
01-16-2011, 06:04 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-16-2011, 07:20 AM
In order to get wheelbarrow full sized loads of dirt out of the Hole, I had to use both brains and brawn. Of course the challenge was getting the wheelbarrow up the stairwell incline......ALONE. Have no doubt in your minds that ol' Trouble wasn't perplexed, disappointed and pissed off about that fact.

So, what I would do is fill the wheelbarrow about 3/4 full of dirt and wheel it over to the bottom of the stairwell. There, I would tie a rope onto the front axle of the wheelbarrow. Then, I'd climb over it and up the stairwell to the Van parked about 25 feet away in the alley. The other end of the rope was attached to the front axle of the Van. I'd slip the Van into reverse and slowly pull the wheelbarrow up the incline and when it would hit the top, I'd put it in park with the rope taut.

I would then jump out of the Van and dump the wheel barrow over the lip of the concrete at the top. There was no way to drag the wheelbarrow all the way out of the stairwell, at least by myself. Had I built a ramp it may have made it out but somebody would have to balance it or it would just dump itself anyway. So, I dumped it out then pulled the wheelbarrow out of the stairwell to ground level and reloaded the dirt and then rolled it either on top of the Hole or alongside it, wherever it needed to be.

I did that routine over and over and over again till ALL the dirt that was in the way was out and a basically smooth dirt floor was exposed ready for a couple of inches of concrete.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2245.jpg

Here you see the concrete floor. The idea was that I would loose lay some carpet over it. I didn't care if the floor was smooth necessarily, but rather that there was some concrete between us and the dirt. For some odd reason, I figured that the concrete would stave off the water somehow.....lol

Idiot.

Also shown is the bathroom partition wall. I just grabbed some of what I used as concrete forms. Hell, I'll scrap that mud and stuff off of it and I'll paint it and nobody will ever know. Admittedly, I'm on a budget and I haven;t let a single thing go to waste.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2261.jpg

Here you see the stairwell which served as my "ramp" whilst bringing out the dirt from below.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2250.jpg

These pics you can see that work was still progressing on the outside as I was piling more and more dirt on top and around it.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2248.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2246.jpg

Trouble
01-16-2011, 07:20 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-16-2011, 08:22 AM
During that July, after having poured good concrete walls and having gotten all the dirt out of the Hole and a concrete floor poured, I was feeling pretty damn good about it all. I could see it beginning to come together. The water that had plagued me for so long, magically, was GONE!

I had grappled with the foul dragon and was presently thrashing him but good. I began to swell with pride, knowing that my victory was near. Little did I realize that that ol' beastie was just taking a breather between rounds.

However, I was at the point where steps would need to be poured. But when I had taken the floor down to the level I needed it for the concrete, it left exposed about 6 inches of dirt where the concrete on the sides of the entryway didn't go down deep enough. It was a miscalculation on my part that was resolved by "scabbing" some concrete to it to bring it down to floor level.

After that cured and I knocked off the forms, I poured the steps.

Here you see the scabs formed up and poured.


http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2267.jpg

Then I began pouring the steps one by one. I'd mix the concrete from ground level and dump it into the form from above.

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2275.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2300-1.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2301.jpg

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2304.jpg

This is one of my all time favorite pictures. To me, as I behold the steps and the light shining down into the Hole, it reminds me of a blessed light shining in from Heaven. I felt assured when I took this picture and saw it that the dark days of the Hole were behind me. That indeed, my patience, determination and perseverance were finally paying off. I felt I had taken on the Devil and won. It was a blessed day that day.

Yet, the reality was that the next round with the dragon would soon begin again in earnest.


http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM23061.jpg

Trouble
01-16-2011, 08:22 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-16-2011, 08:28 AM
Stray, in this pic you can see my kid throwing stuff down the air intake preventer installed....lol

A plastic bag held on by duct tape. :cool

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/Hole/HPIM2246.jpg

Trouble
01-16-2011, 08:28 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-16-2011, 08:31 AM
Lordy!!! I see JESUS in that picture! It looks like he has a Jewish headdress on!!! He's at the top of the pipe where the bag is! He's looking to the west! To the left of the picture. I can see his eyes, his nose, his beard and the bag makes it look like he has a headdress on. Like the Jews used to wear! See it????? :reporter

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/jesus.jpg

Trouble
01-16-2011, 08:31 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Trouble
01-16-2011, 08:37 AM
Lordy Jesus save the sinner! I believe!!! :reporter

Trouble
01-16-2011, 08:37 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

thebigk
01-16-2011, 09:25 AM
aaahh not for nothing,but looking at the pic,how would one know which way is west???

thebigk
01-16-2011, 09:25 AM
aaahh not for nothing,but looking at the pic,how would one know which way is west???

Trouble
01-16-2011, 09:28 AM
aaahh not for nothing,but looking at the pic,how would one know which way is west???

Sorry, I tried to explain that in the next sentence.

He's looking to the west! To the left of the picture.

Admittedly I was startled and shaken a bit and didn't form that thought well. It's not everyday you see Jesus watching over your air intake pipe. :reporter

Trouble
01-16-2011, 09:28 AM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

axl803
01-16-2011, 04:15 PM
I didn' see Jesus but :axl7

I see the dog :axl7

axl803
01-16-2011, 04:15 PM
I didn' see Jesus but :axl7

I see the dog :axl7

Trouble
01-16-2011, 04:56 PM
I didn' see Jesus but :axl7

I see the dog :axl7

Dog is God spelled backward ya know. :axl7

Anyway, now that I look at it again, it looks more like Abe Lincoln. :axl7

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/jesus.jpg

Trouble
01-16-2011, 04:56 PM
No worries. "Airing the board out".

Bard
01-16-2011, 05:04 PM
Dog is God spelled backward ya know. :axl7

Anyway, now that I look at it again, it looks more like Abe Lincoln. :axl7

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/jesus.jpg

Mrs Lincoln with a shower cap on?

Bard
01-16-2011, 05:04 PM
Dog is God spelled backward ya know. :axl7

Anyway, now that I look at it again, it looks more like Abe Lincoln. :axl7

http://i960.photobucket.com/albums/ae81/Trouble1957_2009/jesus.jpg

Mrs Lincoln with a shower cap on?