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Buckeye1sid
09-29-2005, 06:52 PM
someone who is an alcoholic stops drinking, but switches to marijuana, can he claim sobriety?

Lyn Is Snide
09-29-2005, 07:02 PM
Does it make any difference one way or the other what we label him? :ohwell

Buckeye1sid
09-29-2005, 07:03 PM
It's not the label, it's the act. Are booze and marijuana equal?

Wandering
09-29-2005, 07:24 PM
Yes. They are equal. Not being sober means not being sober.

randy
09-29-2005, 07:25 PM
someone who is an alcoholic stops drinking, but switches to marijuana, can he claim sobriety?


Absolutely, Positvely, NO, IMO

If you are an alcoholic you are an addict and vice versa. I would refer you to not only currently held views by recognized addiction specialists but Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous as well.

That individual is deluding themselves if they think they are sober. They have merely exchanged one intoxicant for another, IMO.

Buckeye1sid
09-29-2005, 07:28 PM
What does IMO stand for?

As to your reply, thanks, but what about coffee?

randy
09-29-2005, 07:41 PM
What does IMO stand for?

As to your reply, thanks, but what about coffee?

IMO=in my opinion

As to coffee I would say the same as to soft drinks, chocolate, etc, etc. Such substances are not mixed for the primary purpose to cause a numbing of the brain, a sense of euphoria, a high if you will. I will not argue the addictive qualities nor the social norms involved. I have personal knowledge that alcchol and drugs lead to death on a regular basis.

Buckeye1sid
09-29-2005, 07:43 PM
So does living. Thanks for the IMO explanation.

Grace
09-29-2005, 08:20 PM
None of it makes a heck of a lot of sense? Alcohol is a drug, the same as any drug. Pot is a drug too, but illegal? Anti-depressants and narcotics are a drug too, if prescribed fine and dandy, if not prescribed, considered illegal?

I shall not forget a gal I worked with, that had taken just one of her husbands Tylenol with codeine and got a surprise drug test. (She had even forgot she took the pill)

Thank goodness, she was loyal, they only gave her a 3 day suspension, while about 50% of the rest of the work force was on antidepressants, anti-anxiety and stronger pain medicine than this first woman.
They got nothing because the script was in their names?


We have AA and NA now support groups. IMO, the difference if taken in extreme, NA are addicts, and AA are alcoholics. Just MO.
grace

randy
09-29-2005, 08:30 PM
There is something about this subject of alcohol, drugs, addiction/addicted, clean, sober that I do not understand.

IF you personally believe that drinking alcohol and taking drugs are fine whether legal or not and that you have a personal right to make that choice for yourself, ok, then;

Why is it important that you also be able to consider and have others consider you SOBER?? What is the attraction to that label? Why do people who drink and indulge in drug use/abuse, however you want to term it, so long to be regarded as sober and clean?

I am asking sincerely here.

THANK YOU.. :)

Buckeye1sid
09-29-2005, 08:31 PM
Tis human nature.

randy
09-29-2005, 08:35 PM
Tis human nature.

OK, WHY? There has to be some reason, explanation doesn't there?

What is SO IMPORTANT about being considered sober anc clean?

Especially taken in light that people pay out COLD CASH in order to obtain the substances to change the way they feel on a temporary basis. If you drank a bottle of Vodka or smoked a quarter ounce of pot and were still "sober" wouldn't you be wanting your money back????? :)

Buckeye1sid
09-29-2005, 08:38 PM
Unfortunately, that sometimes happens, but there are no refunds, no redos, just life.

randy
09-29-2005, 08:41 PM
I see :)

You are having a good time tonight, aren't ya. :)

Buckeye1sid
09-29-2005, 08:42 PM
Yea and verily!

CooCooTheLooseScrew
09-29-2005, 11:08 PM
If one says smoking weed and getting drunk are equal... one must be smoking crack



they are opposites


to answer the question tho... i'd say no, one can not claim "sobriety".



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one can't do a damn thing drunk but be drunk....

BunnyBun
09-30-2005, 05:14 AM
IF you personally believe that drinking alcohol and taking drugs are fine whether legal or not and that you have a personal right to make that choice for yourself, ok, then;

Why is it important that you also be able to consider and have others consider you SOBER?? What is the attraction to that label? Why do people who drink and indulge in drug use/abuse, however you want to term it, so long to be regarded as sober and clean?

Because they see it as a problem and they want others to recognize that they've overcome it, and improved their life. It's an individual thing. Some addicts recognize that their personal mind and body cannot do the drug thing or the alcohol thing, but others are constructed differently and so it's OK for other people but not for them. They may also believe strongly in an individual's right to choose their own path.

The term "clean and sober" is rather fluid, though. Are you clean and sober only if you never partake in drugs or alcohol for the rest of your life? Are you sober if you haven't had a drink or used drugs since last week? Last month? 6 months ago? 10 years? Is it a time thing or a state of mind?

randy
09-30-2005, 08:26 AM
Because they see it as a problem and they want others to recognize that they've overcome it, and improved their life. It's an individual thing. Some addicts recognize that their personal mind and body cannot do the drug thing or the alcohol thing, but others are constructed differently and so it's OK for other people but not for them. They may also believe strongly in an individual's right to choose their own path.

The term "clean and sober" is rather fluid, though. Are you clean and sober only if you never partake in drugs or alcohol for the rest of your life? Are you sober if you haven't had a drink or used drugs since last week? Last month? 6 months ago? 10 years? Is it a time thing or a state of mind?


Bunny I was referring to people who currently and will continue to use alcohol and drugs to excess on a regular basis. Those are the people that I do not understand why it is so important to that they be regarded as clean and sober by others.

BunnyBun
09-30-2005, 08:48 AM
But they're NOT clean and sober. So I guess it's a denial thing, or something, or they are ashamed of their problems and try to hide it, convince others they are doing well. I thought you were talking about people who stopped, but used to do it heavily. Maybe I missed a context for this somewhere.

TwiggyAZ
09-30-2005, 10:00 AM
You can't be clean and sober if your still doing the drug.

And why IS it CLEAN and sober? Do you have to take a shower every day after you have sobered up or something? It's actually redundant in the slang of both words. Clean is sober in slang. Maroons!!

If no one ever drank or did drugs are they clean and sober?

If you give up drinking for marywanna, well, duh...you haven't given up anything, well, except being clean and sober :D

Buckeye1sid
09-30-2005, 10:08 AM
Twig, check out what you got volunteered for on the "Ask the Bard about posters" thread.

TwiggyAZ
09-30-2005, 10:18 AM
Ut oh....OK :ohwell