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randy
09-29-2005, 09:02 PM
TRUTH

or


HONOR

Bard
09-29-2005, 09:09 PM
Honor is the mantle and robe, the truthfull one is garbed in.

Honor is a byproduct of truth.

Bard
09-29-2005, 09:09 PM
Hence, liars have NO honor.

Buckeye1sid
09-29-2005, 09:15 PM
Truly then, we are all lost!

Bard
09-29-2005, 09:23 PM
Almost.

Damn near

Close to it.

Buckeye1sid
09-29-2005, 09:24 PM
And there are no do overs!

Bard
09-29-2005, 09:25 PM
Repent!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/BohenGallery/TheBardsColiseumIconShow/39b8d00e.gif

Bard
09-29-2005, 09:26 PM
Sorry for the outburst, back on topic, :thumbsup

Buckeye1sid
09-29-2005, 09:26 PM
Perhaps an apology here and there.

Bard
09-29-2005, 09:28 PM
Perhaps an apology here and there.
:amen

Bard
09-29-2005, 09:36 PM
Truth & honor are one, they cannot be weighed and assessed apart from each other in my opinion.

Honor is the shadow of truth.

stinky*felix
09-29-2005, 09:48 PM
Truth. Honor can mean different things to different people.

Al Queda's (sp?) suicide bombers find honor in their work.

Bard
09-29-2005, 09:55 PM
Very good point Stinky.

So honor would NOT necessarily be the outshining of truth in every instance?

stinky*felix
09-29-2005, 10:10 PM
In reality, both probably mean very little to many people.

What I consider the truth, even though proven fact, may be discounted by others.

What they consider honor, I may see as obedience.

They're very subjective terms.

Peregrina
09-29-2005, 10:33 PM
agreed. I've seen 'honorable' people do truly silly or stupid things because of their 'honor'.
same with truth.

holding either one like the last bastion against the barbarians, IMO, is shortsighted and tends to cause more problems than it is worth.
the words - the ideas embodied in the words, are just too narrow, too rigid to be of any good. because there are times when it is better to pitch honor over the side and do the right thing, and sometimes it is better to lie, then cause deliberate hurt because of a painful truth.

CooCooTheLooseScrew
09-29-2005, 11:16 PM
There are no absolute truths.


Honor has been mistaken for pride, in carrying one's self with or in honor there is no wrong. One can, however, do wrong as a result of carrying one's self with pride, or in pride. Tho one may mistake one for the other, they are both seperate and of two differen't origins. At times, they are difficult to discern.

BunnyBun
09-30-2005, 05:08 AM
I would say truth, because without truth there is no honor. Honor stems from truth. Sometimes truth might seem like a bad thing, because people don't like it, but it sure beats lies. I don't think a liar is honorable at all.

In reference to the al Qaeda type of honor, well, as distasteful and horrifying as I find suicide bombing, I can get behind how they find honor in it. It IS stemming from truth, to them. I respect that there are many truths in this world, and just because I don't agree with them doesn't make them any less true to the person who does believe them. That's the funny thing about the concept of truth, it isn't static, 10 people can have 10 different truths about the same idea.

I think once people can wrap their brains around that, there will be a lot more peace in the world.

basca
09-30-2005, 06:51 AM
I would say truth, because without truth there is no honor. Honor stems from truth. Sometimes truth might seem like a bad thing, because people don't like it, but it sure beats lies. I don't think a liar is honorable at all.

Pretty much what I was going to post. :)

browneyedK
09-30-2005, 11:33 AM
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Honor comes first.....