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Bard
10-02-2005, 01:09 PM
I am so delighted the people have settled this issue!



Updated: 01:45 PM EDT
Hurricanes Not God's Wrath, Most Say in Poll

Analysis by DALIA SUSSMAN, ABCNews.com

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051002115209990008

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Majorities across demographic categories, from religion to age, don't think the hurricanes are a deliberate act of God.

(Oct. 2) - Most Americans rule out either a deliberate act of God or the effect of global warming as direct causes of the recent Gulf Coast hurricanes.

Just under a quarter in this ABC News/Washington Post poll see the hurricanes as "a deliberate act" of God; two-thirds instead see them as an occurrence on God's Earth, but not a deliberate act on God's part. (The rest have no opinion, or don't believe in God.)

Separately, 54 percent think that the severity of recent hurricanes mainly reflects "severe weather events that happen from time to time," rather than the effects of global climate change. Just under four in 10 think climate change is mainly to blame.

That's not to say most people doubt global warming; 56 percent are convinced it's under way. It's just that fewer are persuaded that it has increased hurricane severity.

Religion

Broad majorities across demographic groups don't think the hurricanes are a deliberate act of God. But one in three evangelical Protestants think they are, compared with 13 percent of non-evangelical Protestants, 15 percent of Catholics and 17 percent of non-religious people.

Young, low-income and less-educated Americans also are more likely than others to think these hurricanes are a deliberate act of God.

Punishment?

Alabama State Sen. Hank Erwin, R-Montevallo, recently called Hurricane Katrina a punishment from God, saying New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast "have always been known for gambling, sin and wickedness. It is the kind of behavior that ultimately brings the judgment of God."

In this survey, though, among people who think the hurricanes are a deliberate act of God, just eight percent see it as a punishment. About half instead see it as a warning sign, just over a quarter say it's for a reason we cannot understand and 14 percent say it's a test of faith.

Global Warming

Blame on climate change, naturally, peaks among people who are convinced that global warming is under way. Fifty-eight percent in this group think climate change is mainly responsible for recent hurricane severity, rising to two-thirds among those who are completely convinced that global warming is happening.


Are the recent hurricanes a deliberate act of God? Yes No
All Respondents 23% 67%
Evangelical Protestants 33 61
Non-Evangelical Protestants 13 76
Non-Religious 17 65
Catholics 15 78
18 to 34 32 60
35 and Older 19 71


Among people who aren't at least somewhat convinced that global warming is occurring, by contrast, eight in 10 people don't blame it for hurricane severity.

Similarly, people who see global warming as an urgent problem requiring immediate government action (41 percent) are 30 points more likely than others to think it's a main cause of hurricane severity.

Among groups, younger Americans are more likely than their elders to blame global warming for hurricane severity. Democrats split, while seven in 10 Republicans think instead that they represent occasional severe weather events.

The number of adults who call global warming an urgent problem that needs immediate government action is about the same now as in June (41 percent versus 38 percent). Fewer call it a longer-term problem that needs more study 47 percent, compared with 58 percent in June; that's partly because more in this survey express no opinion.

Methodology

This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone Sept. 23-27, 2005, among a random national sample of 1,019 adults. The results have a three-point error margin. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by ICR-International Communications Research of Media, Pa.


10/02/05

randy
10-02-2005, 01:19 PM
"Punishment?

Alabama State Sen. Hank Erwin, R-Montevallo, recently called Hurricane Katrina a punishment from God, saying New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast "have always been known for gambling, sin and wickedness. It is the kind of behavior that ultimately brings the judgment of God.""


That is just FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!

Bard
10-02-2005, 01:27 PM
That is just FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!

Maybe, maybe not?
Who knows?
Most claim God exists not, so who cares right?

randy
10-02-2005, 01:47 PM
Bard I happen to believe in God and am a christian. But for an elected public servant to make that kind of statement about an entire geographic area is at best irresponsible and at worse a sin in itself. Someone should remind "His Holiness" of a passage in the good book about "Judge not, lest ye be judged..."

InfoNut
10-02-2005, 02:47 PM
OT perhaps, but when did gambling become a sin? I keep looking in the book... it keeps not being there.

Info(poker)Nut

Bard
10-02-2005, 03:12 PM
Bard I happen to believe in God and am a christian. But for an elected public servant to make that kind of statement about an entire geographic area is at best irresponsible and at worse a sin in itself. Someone should remind "His Holiness" of a passage in the good book about "Judge not, lest ye be judged..."

I'm merely stating that the Bible does speak a lot about judgements, simply that, no more, no less,


Gambling addressed in the Bible persay, no Info,it is not, yet, it does address greed.

Mardigras I might point out, is in hardly a Sunday school picnic however.

And if our society has deemed it (mardigras) as a natural innocent & wholesome form of entertainment, as we seem to view pornography, titty bars, wife-swapping etc etc etc, well, then, perhaps we do need to revisit our moral codes as a nation??

Perhaps the judgement of God is nearing??

Does Sodom and Gomorah ring a bell??

Bard
10-02-2005, 03:27 PM
The AP now releasing stories entitled

"Global warming, an act of God?"

But after Katrina, when I posted a thread entitled "Armageddon at hand?"

I got all kinds of shit about it?

Odd isnt it?

Hey Stinky, why not contact the AP and tell THEM they have a Christian agenda eh? :laugh

Don't be pissed at the Bard, just because he gets the news BEFORE the AP wire! :rofl

Buckeye1sid
10-02-2005, 03:41 PM
Bard, you just don't get it, do you. The people have spoken. What the poll says must be right.

randy
10-02-2005, 03:52 PM
I'm merely stating that the Bible does speak a lot about judgements, simply that, no more, no less,


Gambling addressed in the Bible persay, no Info,it is not, yet, it does address greed.

Mardigras I might point out, is in hardly a Sunday school picnic however.

And if our society has deemed it (mardigras) as a natural innocent & wholesome form of entertainment, as we seem to view pornography, titty bars, wife-swapping etc etc etc, well, then, perhaps we do need to revisit our moral codes as a nation??

Perhaps the judgement of God is nearing??

Does Sodom and Gomorah ring a bell??


Bard, I was referring to the Alabama elected representative. No, I do not believe that God punishes a whole region like that. The God I worship is kind, forgiving, patient and has a great sense of humor. :)

jdansam
10-02-2005, 03:53 PM
Deliberate:
1. Done with or marked by full consciousness of the nature and effects; intentional: mistook the oversight for a deliberate insult.
2. Arising from or marked by careful consideration: a deliberate decision. See Synonyms at voluntary.
3. Unhurried in action, movement, or manner, as if trying to avoid error: moved at a deliberate pace. See Synonyms at slow.

Act ofGod:
event outside of human control, such as sudden floods or other natural disasters, for which no one can be held responsible.

deliberate act of God: oxymoron
one comparing hurricane to deliberate act of God: moron

Bard
10-02-2005, 04:10 PM
Bard, I was referring to the Alabama elected representative. No, I do not believe that God punishes a whole region like that. The God I worship is kind, forgiving, patient and has a great sense of humor. :)

He is also a God of judgement randy, please read, or reread the book, a concordance word study on the word judgement might be helpfull.

I am not advocating that it was an act of God in prevailing judgement, the AP started that rhetoric, I'm merely stating, who knows? :tiphat

As far as the elected rep, I guess he is entitled to free speech yes?

thesunnyone
10-02-2005, 05:41 PM
I wonder if the tornado that wipes out the small Mennonite town in central Kansas could be called an act of God. If he can send retribution, why can't he protect the godly? I know, I know......

randy
10-02-2005, 05:50 PM
"As far as the elected rep, I guess he is entitled to free speech yes?"


Well if he has to have it and there is no way around it, I guess so. Just not sure that a category of folks, like politicians, should be entitled to free speech seeing as they have a consistent pattern of not telling the truth. What you think about amending the Constitution so their not???? :)

Bard
10-02-2005, 06:55 PM
I wonder if the tornado that wipes out the small Mennonite town in central Kansas could be called an act of God. If he can send retribution, why can't he protect the godly? I know, I know......


Who is to say they were?

basca
10-02-2005, 07:35 PM
Punishment for gambling? No. Possibly punishment for dividing Israel is more like it. Just my humble opinion. :)

Buckeye1sid
10-02-2005, 07:41 PM
Oh Basca, dost thou mean politically? Certainly not geographically.