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ravenblanc
08-13-2007, 07:51 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6943907.stm

Low-key birthday for Fidel Castro

Mr Castro's current condition and whereabouts is a state secret
Cuba is set to break with tradition and not hold official celebrations to mark the birthday of its 81-year-old president, Fidel Castro.
There were fireworks at midnight in the Cuban capital Havana to mark the occasion but nothing else was planned.

Mr Castro has not been seen in public for over a year after having emergency surgery and power has been temporarily transferred to his brother, Raul.

Many observers believe Mr Castro may never return to front-line politics.

For Mr Castro's last birthday there were candle-lit vigils and mass demonstrations of affection for the convalescing leader.

There have been no pictures of him recuperating for more than two months now.

The last ones showed he had put on weight though he was visibly fragile and had a weak voice.

His current condition and whereabouts remain a state secret.

But the man who has ruled this communist state since he led the revolution almost half a century ago continues to make his presence felt through regular newspaper editorials.

Some observers believe Mr Castro has taken on a new role as adviser on important decisions while his younger brother handles day-to-day government.

It has been a smooth transition but so far there have been few signs of change. A recent speech by the acting president has raised expectations that some economic reforms could be on the way.

Now many here suspect that the longer Mr Castro is not seen in public, the greater the chance that this is how the balance of power will remain.

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Another interesting link on the same page...Castro: Profile of the great survivor

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/244974.stm

Bard
08-13-2007, 08:23 AM
Great profile link you provided Raven

Thanks...... :tiphat

Bardonians love Castro :biglaugh

Noguru
08-13-2007, 08:38 AM
Great profile link you provided Raven

Thanks...... :tiphat

Bardonians love Castro :biglaugh

Not so fast. A commie is a commie. The sooner Castro is dispatched, the better.

The only sound argument that could be made for his junta to continue is that old, "better the devil you know" shit. That aside. the sooner he ends up in hell, the better.

Bleep
08-13-2007, 09:23 AM
uh, thanks Noguru.
shameless commie that I am. Castro is no hero to me. Dictatorship, no matter how benign or beneficial, is not communism.

lordhumongous
08-13-2007, 05:38 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6943907.stm

For Mr Castro's last birthday there were candle-lit vigils and mass demonstrations of affection for the convalescing leader.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/244974.stm

Were the "mass demonstrations of affection" intiated at gun point??

lordhumongous
08-13-2007, 08:14 PM
uh, thanks Noguru.
shameless commie that I am. Castro is no hero to me. Dictatorship, no matter how benign or beneficial, is not communism.

Although there is some validity in what you say Bleep,you are dead wrong when it comes to good ol' Fidel.He is a self proclaimed Marxist-Leninist who allied himself with the Soviet Union.Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962? He also forced a merger between his 26th.Of July movement and the PSP(Socialist People's Party) to form the Communist Party of Cuba in 1965.Fidel is and always will be a Commie til the day he croaks....

Bard
08-14-2007, 06:54 AM
Were the "mass demonstrations of affection" intiated at gun point??

Lame.

Unsubstantiated.

Why does sheeple propeganda spring to mind whenever I read a post of yours LH? :biglaugh

Bleep
08-14-2007, 09:03 AM
He is a self proclaimed Marxist-Leninist who allied himself with the Soviet Union.Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962?
well, I am self proclaimed queen of the world. Doesn't make it so. Not even on this board :biglaugh
And actually, yes I do remember the CMC. I wrote a school report on it.
Just to be clear, the Soviet Union was also a self proclaimed communist regime, but the way it operated had very little to do with the ideals espoused by Marx. And everything to do with Stalin's elitist and racist interpretation of some people being more equal than others. I think Fidel came a little closer- at least he made efforts to provide education and health care to the masses, but there is no doubt that the upper echelons on Cuban society still live a far different life than those at the lower end of the scale.

The way communism has been practiced in the last century is as much like theoretical communism as rubbing alcohol is like wheat.

They may come from the same source, but the practical communism of the Stalinist Soviets and even Castro, will kill ya if ya drink it.

Powerpro69
08-14-2007, 09:43 AM
Fuck that old wobbly bastard

lordhumongous
08-14-2007, 11:09 AM
The way communism has been practiced in the last century is as much like theoretical communism as rubbing alcohol is like wheat.

They may come from the same source, but the practical communism of the Stalinist Soviets and even Castro, will kill ya if ya drink it.

:lolup :rofl I dig that analogy Bleep... :tiphat

lordhumongous
08-14-2007, 11:23 AM
sheeple propeganda

What in God's name is "SHEEPLE PROPEGANDA???" :wtf Actually,the only reason why you find my post "lame" and "unsubstantiated",you fucking Neanderthal,is because you fail to pick up on the hint of SARCASM...Further bolsters my theory about YOUR particular genus/species:NIMRODICUS MAXIMUS!!

TwiggyAZ
08-14-2007, 01:33 PM
For Mr Castro's last birthday there were candle-lit vigils and mass demonstrations of affection for the convalescing leader.

There damn well BETTER be mass vigils and demo's of affection else your ass is in deep poopoo!! That there is communism! I don't care who ya er'!!

Can you see me going to a demonstration of affection for Bush on his birthday? :rofl :rofl :rofl

Poodles
08-14-2007, 02:09 PM
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:tiphat

Powerpro69
08-14-2007, 02:58 PM
Fuck that goat bearded wobbly old bastard

lordhumongous
08-14-2007, 03:00 PM
Lame.

Unsubstantiated.

Why does sheeple propeganda spring to mind whenever I read a post of yours LH? :biglaugh

A thousand pardons Bard.I read Orwell's "1984" way back in the dark ages(high school).Completely forgot about the"Sheeple."However,I do believe you're a tad off in portraying my posts as "Sheeple P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A."
We have differing points of view.Simple as that.I see things realistically,while you have this idealistic/romantic utopian view of the world in which we live.Real world,real problems.Can't escape reality amigo....

UKBB
08-14-2007, 05:24 PM
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/FIdelMinime.jpg

lordhumongous
08-14-2007, 05:54 PM
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/FIdelMinime.jpg

:lolup :rofl :biglaugh

UKBB
08-14-2007, 05:57 PM
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Bard
08-15-2007, 12:31 PM
A thousand pardons Bard.I read Orwell's "1984" way back in the dark ages(high school).Completely forgot about the"Sheeple."However,I do believe you're a tad off in portraying my posts as "Sheeple P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A."
We have differing points of view.Simple as that.I see things realistically,while you have this idealistic/romantic utopian view of the world in which we live.Real world,real problems.Can't escape reality amigo....

No need to beg forgiveness for being in error so often LH

To error is to be human.

I thank you for you posts, proving, and reminding us of our humanity daily :laugh

Bard
08-15-2007, 12:36 PM
Our embargo of a lifetime against Cuba has been inhumane at best

cruel is how most see it

Aimed at. and hurting only

The lovely gracious Cuban citizens themselves

TwiggyAZ
08-15-2007, 02:46 PM
Well, we DO have the lovely resort of Guantanamo Bay there! How much more friendly can we get :shrug :winky

lordhumongous
08-15-2007, 03:32 PM
To error is to be human.



Yo Bard.Don't mean to nitpick, but the adage goes something like this:"To ERR is human.To forgive DIVINE." And yes Bard,I forgive you,for you know not what you do.. :biglaugh

duke1907
08-15-2007, 07:39 PM
I could give a ratz azz about Fidel or his birthday! I can't stand the commie bastard!

Fidel and Hugo 'the other commie bastard' can kiss my ass!

Let's see, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and baby Bush never lifted the embargo...believe it or not they all agree'd on something...they couldn't stand the commie bastard either!

If Fidel is so great, why would so many cubans risk their lives to cross the ocean and come to the America?

Wet foot, dry foot, wet foot, dry foot....

I can't understand how people think Fidel and Hugo are so great...please educate me!



duke

Noguru
08-15-2007, 08:23 PM
uh, thanks Noguru.
shameless commie that I am. Castro is no hero to me. Dictatorship, no matter how benign or beneficial, is not communism.

Surely you understand the word, "commie" has been used almost exclusively out of context for a good many years, to insult a "commie like" dictator.

In this case it applies oh so well to the subject matter.

Bard
08-15-2007, 08:48 PM
I could give a ratz azz about Fidel or his birthday! I can't stand the commie bastard!

Fidel and Hugo 'the other commie bastard' can kiss my ass!

Let's see, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and baby Bush never lifted the embargo...believe it or not they all agree'd on something...they couldn't stand the commie bastard either!

If Fidel is so great, why would so many cubans risk their lives to cross the ocean and come to the America?

Wet foot, dry foot, wet foot, dry foot....

I can't understand how people think Fidel and Hugo are so great...please educate me!



duke


If Fidel is so great, why would so many cubans risk their lives to cross the ocean and come to the America?

Duke

Many believe the immigration was due to the decades of hardships the embargos produced.

And by the way, I have not read yet where any have praised Fidel??

or said he was the greatest?

lordhumongous
08-18-2007, 06:07 PM
and hurting only

The lovely gracious Cuban citizens themselves

Like I've said rather repetitively Bard,the lovely gracious Cuban citizens,like the lovely gracious citizens of other oppresive regimes,need to get off their collective asses and overthrow the benevolent despots that rule them.
"Absolute power corrupts even when exercised for humane purposes.The benevolent despot who sees himself as a shepherd of the people still demands from others the submission of sheep."......Eric Hoffer.

Bleep
08-19-2007, 09:08 AM
good quote from Hoffer.

Surely you understand the word, "commie" has been used almost exclusively out of context for a good many years, to insult a "commie like" dictator
I would say that is a relatively local american colloquialism. I have rarely heard "Commie Bastard" except from an american citizen and the odd Brit. Even here in Canada, it is rare. But then, we have elected officials who are members of the Canadian Communist Party... In the rest of the world, communism continues to be more correctly defined and Fidel and others who have called their system of social domination "communism" are recognized as dictators or the equivalent.
ETA: It is pretty much possible to have democracy and communism co-exist in the same nation in balance. In fact, such a balance might represent the ideal form of government and the maximum benefit to all citizens. It is most unfortunate that the McCarthy era thinking continues to dominate the American psyche, because the USA would be the ideal place to demonstrate this possibility, being one of the most highly evolved democracies and the one with the most resources to begin the process of change to a more equitable but still democratic system.

lordhumongous
08-19-2007, 06:51 PM
good quote from Hoffer.

ETA: It is pretty much possible to have democracy and communism co-exist in the same nation in balance. In fact, such a balance might represent the ideal form of government and the maximum benefit to all citizens. It is most unfortunate that the McCarthy era thinking continues to dominate the American psyche, because the USA would be the ideal place to demonstrate this possibility, being one of the most highly evolved democracies and the one with the most resources to begin the process of change to a more equitable but still democratic system.

'Fraid I can't buy into that notion Bleep simply because Communism in it's truest,unadulterated form(not talking about the shit they practiced in the former Soviet Union),would require the "commune" to have a singular purpose:individuals working toward the common good of the whole.This would require people to be altruistic and we all know that most people,by nature,are just the opposite.They are selfish and only give a shit about themselves.So that just wouldn't work.

Bleep
08-19-2007, 09:55 PM
ah well, I know we are so far from utopia.
One hopes by proceeding to give all citizens the same standard of education, food, housing and health care from cradle to grave, that perhaps their petty appetities would be satisfied and they could think beyond their own selfish means. I do. Probably so do you. Do you not think the rest of humanity would not also be so capable, or do you really think we are so different from the rest?

lordhumongous
08-20-2007, 07:48 PM
ah well, I know we are so far from utopia.
One hopes by proceeding to give all citizens the same standard of education, food, housing and health care from cradle to grave, that perhaps their petty appetities would be satisfied and they could think beyond their own selfish means. I do. Probably so do you. Do you not think the rest of humanity would not also be so capable, or do you really think we are so different from the rest?

You are operating on the premise that every single individual would be an EQUAL contributor to the betterment of his fellow man.That is just not possible.There are always those who will sponge off the hard work of others. Societal leeches.Is it fair for you to bust your ass while some slacker is lazing around getting a free ride off your efforts?Hardly!

lordhumongous
08-20-2007, 07:59 PM
Bleep,I'm also surprised by one of posts on another thread.Something to the effect that "beyond paying for your basic needs,the accumulation of wealth is an abomination." Why? Isn't it the God given right for every individual to achieve to the best of his/her ability? I'm not talking about being like the "Queen Of Mean",Leona Helmsley.(May she burn in hell for the way she treated her underlings).I don't see anything wrong in putting forth the effort and getting compensated for your hard work.That's the American Dream.In order for people to thrive,they need challenge and to be rewarded for taking on that challenge. :thumbsup

Bleep
08-21-2007, 08:54 AM
Bleep,I'm also surprised..."beyond paying for your basic needs,the accumulation of wealth is an abomination." Why? Isn't it the God given right for every individual to achieve to the best of his/her ability? ...I don't see anything wrong in putting forth the effort and getting compensated for your hard work.
I agree in principle with most of what you say except:
I do not believe in god(s). Any right of any human exists only so far as it does not harm other humans and the world we co-exist in. Our insistence on our "rights" has caused unbridled destruction of other humans and our home world.
And what does money have to do with any of it? If one is compensated fairly then why does someone like Trump or Winfrey make thousands of dollars an hour while Joe Shmoe makes 6 bucks an hour? Especially since I bet Joe is actually working harder than either of the two rich people.

That's the American Dream.In order for people to thrive,they need challenge and to be rewarded for taking on that challenge. :thumbsup

One can work for the satisfaction of achieving something, for the purpose of helping others, for the ethereal ideal that one will be rewarded in the hereafter (if you believe in that sort of thing), for the adoration of the masses or the thanks of a single person and for a myriad of other tangible but unpriceable rewards. If you are a christian and believe in god, then the biblical New Testament story of Jesus and the money changers in the temple is apt. And I think the quote is "The love of money is at the root of all evil".

How far the supposedly christian majority of the USA has strayed from the new testament direction and ideals!

The majority of US christians are total hypocrites because they think "the american dream" is compatible with the teachings of Jesus, and it simply is not. Jesus was far more a communist than Fidel is.

What disturbs me now is the fact that money is not even representational anymore. It is no longer grounded in actual value held in store, but has become a computer simulation of wealth that is taken for real. When the american and world banks run out of it, they simply "invent" more to cover the debts created by greed and the quest for ever greater piles of "stuff".

The endpoint of the race is the same. The man with the most toys when he dies, still dies. And I can't help but think, that although the creation of money by modern banking procedure is now providing an endless supply, the actual resources that money is supposed to represent, are finite. If la Donald and Oprah have the lion's share, there are thousands of other Joe Schmoe's who have nothing.